Author Topic: Wanting to start writ... er, DRAWING, would like to know where Vimir started  (Read 30686 times)

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blorg! Well, there goes that idea. Better stick to pencils then =(

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Don't worry, pencils are fun, too. Remember, I started using a tablet, but then discovered that I loved working with pencil so much more that all my tablet is doing is gathering dust. But, whatever method you decide to use, make sure you post it here! ]:) We'll be waiting!

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Ok! Here's my finished product...



I think it turned out well for a first attempt. Few questions though based on how I saw Vimir use it in the stream:

1. Which tool produces the pencil/ink-like effect? I couldn't figure out how to reproduce it.

2. While colouring, how did he manage to keep it between the lines >>
« Last Edit: October 25, 2009, 10:09:33 PM by Pontos »

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In SAI, Virmir used the Pencil 'brush' for the initial sketch, but for the Inking stage, he added a 'Line work Layer' and used the 'Pen tool'

I'm sure Vir will give a more detailed answer later, but he basically uses the tablet PC's pen to basically draw on the screen like it was a piece of paper, and he places the Ink layers on top of the colouring layers.

(I'm just saying stuff as he got me to use SAI + the fact I keep bugging him on how he uses it)

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Nice, Lloyd!

Yep, that's correct.  Each color is on it's own layer underneath the linework layer.  And the nice thick lines are a result of the pen tool on a linework layer in SAI. These are vector lines, meaning I can resize them without any loss in quality and even move them around, change thickness, etc.  Really useful stuff if you're ever interested in getting into SAI.

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Oh. I've been using the pen tool but it doesn't seem any different apart from the type of the line it creates. How do you make a vector line?

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You don't see much of a difference when drawing the lines, but afterward you can go into edit mode and drag the points of the line around to change the curvature, or edit the pressure of the line to adjust thickness.  Also if you resize the drawing, the vector lines won't degrade in quality.

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So they're used to alter proportion?

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That's one possibility.  The general rule is if you want crisp, solid lines, vectors are better.

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Grrrrr, you vector people and your crisp, clean lines. It can show naught of the human condition!

(Just saying that Vector gives you that Virmir-like, smooth, computery look, but using raster((non-vector)) tools can give you a nice sort of look, too.)

Ummmmmm, using a mouse for raster computer drawings is REALLY hard. If you're doing that, vector might be the way to go.

....I look forward to your next drawing!

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Ooo, thanks for asking this stuff Lloyd, it saves me from inquiring the same things.  ]:P I'm usually a casual "ink by paint tool" fellow (and ink by Photoshop's Ink Pen with the mouse) but I shall have to look into this strange land of vector. Either with SAI...or the fancy Illustrator CS4 the college compys happen to have. Been wondering how Virmir got thos fancy (and crispy) lines.



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Uhh, how do I go into "edit mode" anyway?

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Grrrrr, you vector people and your crisp, clean lines. It can show naught of the human condition!

(Just saying that Vector gives you that Virmir-like, smooth, computery look, but using raster((non-vector)) tools can give you a nice sort of look, too.)


Well really, you dont need vector to get Virmir's "look", he just used) a Round, Pressure sensitive, brush with no Opacity change (ie: when pressing harder with the pen, it only changes the diameter of the brush, not how dark it is). Its a basic Brush in many Digital Art programs, Photoshop, Corel Painter, OpenCanvas, etc etc, you could easily take any of these and get the same type of brush if you fiddled with it.

The vector stuff, really just makes it easy to resize the lines, + it has a 'Smoothing' effect on the lines too (its a setting that can be set, in SAI) Vir told me before he uses... 0 or 8 for sketches and I think 15 for Inking.

I think the real 'secret' to his style' is more of the fact he uses the tablet PC to draw his stuff, where in making a line he would naturally go from soft-hard-soft in pressure to get the Inked line look. You could emulate it through Photoshop or SAI but the whole process is 100x harder, where you would need to manually tweak each line to emulate the thickness differences.

Uhh, how do I go into "edit mode" anyway?

In SAI, and you've made a 'Linework Layer', right underneath the 'Pen' tool is the 'edit tool'. But To fiddle with a Vector lines thickness, use the 'Pressure tool' (which is the to the right of the edit tool) then the lines will start showing those green dots again, where you can drag them to make the vector line in that area, thicker or thinner.

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Ok! Final question! I've made another picture on SAI but it's smaller than I'd like. Is there any way to scale it to a larger size without redrawing it?

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In the top menu, go to Canvas -> Change Resolution, then enter how big you want it to be.  Your vector layers will scale up with out a loss in quality, but your normal layers may get a bit blurry, depending on how big you go.

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